Michael,

"Apologies, James. Mine is doing the same thing. I'm suspect that there is a setting to disable this in a plist somewhere. If so, it will be found soon."

The forum won't let me Quote messages so i will do it this way. I hope you are right that there is a way to disable this particular feature because i prefer the old way. If not, i can live with it, or i can just use a different browser. As for the rest of Lion, so far i like it quite well. I'm sure there are a lot of features that i will probably never use, but that's alright it still allows me to mostly do things the way i want which is a feature of OS X that i have always enjoyed since i first bought a Mac. The ease of use and the stability of the operating system sold me a long time ago and has not let me down in the years i have been using OS X.

Iggy,

" I am by no means defending apples position, just pointing out you can turn it off "

Iggy, you old war horse, i missed this little jewel the first time around, but have now tried it and it indeed does seem to solve the problem for me, thank you so much for the solution. I figured someone would know the answer and as usual you seem to come up with it quite often. Thank you again, i am now a happy camper using Safari with a smile...

Iggy,

" Once you get use to it, having to be concerned with starting and stopping applications will become so 20th century."

Therein lies my problem Iggy, except that actually i probably am more so 19th century... clicking on the little red button ala winders may take the page off the screen, but it still leaves Safari running. Now if i plan on leaving Safari running i would just simply click on the little yellow button. I do this quite often for example when i am doing my church news letter i usually have PhotoShop, Safari, my desktop publisher, and many times Ichat all going. Now and then i even throw in iTunes in for some background. Don't try and drag me into the 21st century as i will be kicking, screaming, and biting all the way...

Don't be concerned about leaving Safari running!

Clicking the yellow button (or Command-H) hides the window, so you can go back to it later.
Clicking the red button (or Command-W) closes the window, so you can't go back to it later.

Sometimes I will have several Safari windows open. If I want to close just one of them and leave the others I do so by clicking Red button. When I do that I wouldn't want Safari to close, just that window.

BTW, Firefox and Chrome work the same way. They all would have to work that way otherwise how would you close just one window?

I'm sorry but you guys just don't seem to get the point. When i close Safari i want it to shut down, go away, not be there, not hiding in the back ground waiting to pounce. And when i once again start up Safari i want it to start with my self declared home page, not the last web site i happen to have been on. That is the way i want my browser to work and the way it has worked for me since the first day i ever used a browser so many long years ago when i first started using browsers while living in San Jose just blocks away from Ibm, Atari, Apple, etc.

If i want Safari to hang in the back ground i can click the little yellow button and pickup where i left off when i once again click on it, or can click on the red button and have it clear off, but still be running and waiting for me to once again click on it... I have no problem with who ever wants to do it a different way, that is a matter of choice, but you all seem so upset with me because i want it my way, now thanks to Iggy i now have a way to do it the way i want.

Chill out guys, of course the little red button works great for shutting a window off when you have multiple windows open, but you see probably 99 percent of the time i only have 1 window open so using the red button doesn't work for me when i want the whole program to quit and then come up with home again next time i want it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having your browser come up with your last url if that is what you want, but i don't want a browser that does it that way by default, thanks to iggy's tip now i can get it my way.

James,

I don't think you understand how it works. It will do exactly what you want if you just ignore "shutting down". It is not necessary to shut down any application designed for Lion.

The red button will work for you just fine. Open Safari with just one window. Go to a URL other than home. Hit the red button and the window goes away. Safari continues to run, but ignore that! Now if you want to use Safari again, click on the dock Safari icon again, and it will open with a window on your home page.

talmy,

" I don't think you understand how it works. It will do exactly what you want if you just ignore "shutting down". It is not necessary to shut down any application designed for Lion. "

And i don't think you understand what i have said from the start. What part of " I want the darn thing to shut down and then come back next time with my home page. How can i say it any plainer than that so it gets through to you. Why should i have to take an extra step of first hitting the red button and then shutting down Safari in order to get that result? I have NEVER said it was "necessary" to shut down, i said I want it to shut down and doing a seperate step is not "necessary" to get the results i want.

To put it in plain words I WANT IT TO SHUT DOWN!!! I know prefectly well how to keep a program running in the back ground, i have done it for years when i wanted to. OS X Lion is not the first operating system that would allow you to do that you know. Jez you guys seem to think i am commiting heresy to the great god OS X because i don't want to use the default setting on Safari.

You don't need to shut it down. You don't even want to shut it down. Lion will do that for you if it needs the room. By leaving it running it's potentially available immediately if you want it again. And there is no harm with leaving it running.

Read particularly this page in the Ars Technica review: http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars/8#process-model

I've quoted the important paragraph here:

Hi All

What's the keyboard short-cut to close all tabs in the new safari?

cheers
matty

Wouldn't closing all tabs be the same as closing the window (Command-W)? All windows have at least one tab, and if there is only one the tab bar just doesn't show.

If you still want a window (which will show your home page), do Command-W-N

The keyboard shortcuts in the Safari Menu Bar file menu:

Cmd+W closes the active tab, even if it is the only one open
Cmd+shift+W closes all tabs in the active window
Cmd+Alt+Shift+W closes all tabs in all windows

James,

glad you have found your solution, and would just like to point out the quote you attributed to me



was actually Talmy, not me :-P

What I hadn't realized (since I've got only one tab open) is that the keyboard assignments change depending on whether or not you have one or more than one tab. Inconsistent!

"You don't need to shut it down. You don't even want to shut it down. Lion will do that for you if it needs the room. By leaving it running it's potentially available immediately if you want it again. And there is no harm with leaving it running."

Reminds me a lot of the federal government..."I'm from the government, i'm here to help..." As long as you do things MY WAY! Like arguing with a sign post, nothing gets through.

Great argument about "potentially available immediately"... Let's see now if i leave it running in the background and i want to use it again later all i have to do is click on the Safari icon and presto, there it is. If i shut it down and want to run it again i then have to go all the way over to the Safari icon and click on it and poof it comes up. Ya i can really see the major advantage of leaving it run in the back ground. For crying out loud you do it your way and i'll do it mine.