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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:35 am 
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It's rather confusing, this MobileMe transition. When it was first mooted it seemed too good to be true and, later, for some it undoubtedly was. Rolling out all these great ideas on one day was bound, with the glorious benefit of hindsight, to harbour the possibility of something going horribly wrong.

It did! For example, I had carefully created a .Mac Group over the last three months that was finally beginning to pay off after I had sorted out all the little glitches. Lo and behold Apple announced (in the small print), with no real preamble, that they were discontinuing Groups. It's not as if all the .Mac features were free, in which case there would have been less reason to grumble; oh no - we are paying for the privilege.

However, for a couple of weeks the only bits of my .Mac to MobileMe transitional service that didn't work was were .Mac Groups & Homepage. Everything else, the 'Push' email, calendars, bookmarks and address book all worked perfectly right from the start. All my Macs and my iPod touch all synced automatically and really made life easier, as I know that all my key data is identical and up to date on all the Macs.

However, the .Mac Group was unreachable and no one could log on. So I cast around to try to find some other hosts that could offer a similar service. All promised much and delivered little; Google Groups, Yahoo Groups etc were all recommended by friends, but had pop-up adverts and lacked design finesse and just looked really tacky in comparison to Apple's slick offering. I set up test Groups using them all, but hadn't the heart, or perhaps the courage, to invite anyone to join after they had seen the previous benefits of a .Mac experience!

Suddenly, to my surprise, on Sunday I was able to log in to my .Mac Group and work on it as if nothing had ever happened. Oh joy! However, my happiness is tempered by the fact that I will never be able to create any more MobileMe Groups as that side is apparently finished. Apple don't seem to have listened to any of their customers although there is a great deal of angst on the Apple forums. It may well be that MobileMe Groups and Homepage reappear due to public pressure. I certainly hope so.

What is most surprising about the MobileMe service, thus far, is that no one has challenged Apple's right to change the service. If it were a free service I doubt that there would be as many complaints, but we, the subscribers, signed up and paid for one service and now find ourselves being pressganged into another without consultation. In my own case I am not getting what I paid for and really valued - Groups & Homepage.  A colleague, for the time being at least, can only access his e-mail via the MobileMe web site and can't use iCards.  Most unsatisfactory. Now in the glorious USA, being the litigious nation that it is, someone must surely find this change of service a breach of contract. Not that any individual ever seems to be in a position to challenge the Apple organisation. However I am surprised that, at the moment, this shaky transition has not come to the attention of an enterprising group of lawyers. Just imagine receiving a Mac Mini when in reality you had ordered a Mac Pro, or a Ford Ka when you had ordered, and paid for, a top-of-the-range Mondeo? And finally, how do you contact Apple to complain? The answer is, you can't, not really, and guarantee that anyone will listen.

However, by and large, apart from the issues noted, I have found MobileMe to be a slicker system than .Mac. I have never really had to use web-based .Mac email as everything has always worked perfectly on Apple Mail. During the transition some of the Help pages and links have proved confusing, non-existent or constantly altering, but this seems to have been ironed out now and I certainly have not experienced 99% of the day-to-day problems that seem to have affected other users. That's the trouble with User Forums; only people who have problems complain, whilst the majority who have had a relatively painless transition sit back quietly and just get on with things! The complaining minority tend to bias the overall impression, not that they are imagining their problems.

I must admit that I would still willingly pay for a Family MobileMe account just for the Push facilities; everything else is a bonus. The ability to use iWeb, print services from iPhoto and shop at iTunes, the Mac Store and the App Store makes it an unbeatable service in my opinion.

But, as ex-.Mac subscribers, we aren't getting what we originally paid for!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:59 am 
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PeterRussell wrote:
But, as ex-.Mac subscribers, we aren't getting what we originally paid for!


No, we aren't. In my case, I am getting a lot more than I paid for!

Twice the storage and MobileMe syncing.

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Dear Rick,

Of course, you are quite right that we do get more space and MobileMe syncing, and it works very well, BUT we are losing facilities that many of us purchased our .Mac accounts for in the first place.

I don't have a problem with what we have got, only with what was removed with barely a thought for all those .Mac account holders who, in many cases, value Groups, iCards and Homepage above many of the other advantages that we espouse.

I passing, I note that my similar post on the Apple Discussions Forum has been pulled and classed as a 'rant' and a 'threat of legal action', so presumably it hit home below the belt with someone!

Having originally emailed Apple in the politest possible way with my views on the demise of the aforementioned .Mac facilities - and received not the merest hint of a response - I felt that a different angle was needed.

Hey ho, you can't win them all!

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Steve Jobs reportedly wrote this email to his MobileMe team:

http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.a ... ull-e-mail

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Yeah it from sound of it Mobileyou sure didn't run smooth.
Still think the Price tag is a bit much for half of the service.


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Shaggy wrote:
Yeah it from sound of it Mobileyou sure didn't run smooth.
Still thing the Price tag is a bit much for have of the servers.


Huh?

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LOL my bad it was still early when I posted that.

I just think it is a bit much for what you get.

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I understand your point of view, Shaggy, but for me, the 99 bucks is still worth the price. I'm a MacNut cuz Apple's stuff just lets me do what I want to do with minimal frustration, and even though I've been using .Mac since 2001, it's been hitting me lately how much I use its Mac integration. Many of the programs I routinely use now have built-in backup to .Mac, enable posting of info to a Website I've created, etc. Syncing contacts and calendars across a bunch of Macs is as simple as clicking a button. I use iDisk to transfer files between home and my office constantly. .Mac's email remains (for me, at least), nearly spam free and being able to create aliases is huge to me, and the push factor to my iPhone is great. I'm sure there are many more ways I use .Mac that aren't hitting me...

Anyway, I'm sure there are other services out there that would enable all of this functionality, but it's the all-in-one-place aspect that I think makes this service a bargain. It's not perfect, and Apple definitely jagged up the MobileMe transition (I'm still waiting for my bonus 30-day credit to show up), but I think I get a lot for what I'm paying for. Just my two cents :)


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Well, Peter, you're not the only one who feels like you're just not getting what you've paid for. I've been buying the .Mac Family Pack since 2003, when I bought my first Mac. When my current contract expires, I won't be renewing. I spent a couple of hours yesterday transferring all of my .Mac mail to Gmail, and my simple Homepage site is next. I'm unhappy at the loss of Groups and Homepage, and "Exchange for the rest of us" simply doesn't work well enough for me. The quality of the new service, the poorly-handled transition, and abrupt termination of features, are way below par for a paid service.

Count me as one grumpy and unsatisfied customer.

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The Price wouldn't be that bad if they offer Own Domain registration with unlimited Sub Domains. Plus some PHP goodies.


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My quandry is...

Since iPhone 2.0 software was introduced along with MobileMe, I've been trying to upgrade to a family pack. If I can give my dad the abilities that I have (I agree with Rick here. It's pretty much worked semi-flawlessly) with MobileMe it's a shoe in for an iPhone sale.

Only problem is????

Apple doesn't want me to upgrade to a family pack. I've been trying online since 7/11 to upgrade to a family pack. The online upgrade makes it to the final step every time, then chokes on the upgrade.

After a month of trying I figured "OK, I'll call them and upgrade that way".

Not so Roger Ramjet...

I called, the rep answered the phone. Was all confused about what I wanted to do. She told me "I can upgrade you for $149".

NOT...

I informed her that I had been trying for a month to upgrade online where the maximum due was $11 (til the end of my contract). She asked me if I'd been a .mac subscriber before... Duh...

I told her that I got my .mac address back in the day when .mac addresses were free. She informed me that I needed to talk to customer service and that she would transfer me. OK, I can deal with that...

Next thing I know there's somebody on the phone speaking in spanish. Everything was in spanish. No press 1 for english. All spanish. I spoke up..

"I can't understand a single word that is being said" I said into my trusty iPhone...

I was immediately hung up on...

I don't know if it's the fact that I was told I'm overqualified to work at the genius bar at the local Apple store, or if I'm just being over critical. But, it appears that the support side has kinda slid lately.

Maybe it's just me...

KC

P.S. I still want that ding dang family pack upgrade


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KC, buy it here. ;)

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Peter,

Have you seen this KB article?

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2050

Sounds like you may be grandfathered in.

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Groups is not a part of MobileMe, but if you previously created a .Mac Group, you can continue to use it. Learn how to find your Groups.

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